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It is destroying my private life - at this pace I could be divorced by the end of the summer - after 9 years of marriage.

My husband doesnt believe a the global economic collapse and says that I need to see a shrink...

please advice. :smokin:

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I have had to resort to not talking about the doom and gloom stuff quite so much. I have asked her to read and to pay attention to what is going on in the news. Sometimes that generates some discussion.

She was actually telling people I was nuts until she asked her dad, which promptly said to her "I think that is not crazy at all, it is very wise to be prepping right now. Are you guys buying gold and silver too?"

She hasnt given me a hard time since!

Good luck BTW.

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I have been sharing information slowly with people at work. People I have worked with 15 years. They are starting to get it. It is a fine line I am walking, but these are people I consider friends and if I can motivate them to prepare even a little it would be a win in my book.

We work at one of the largest commercial banks, and along with charts of the dollar decline, debt numbers, the IMF warnings, and watching one of the largest investment banks fail today, they are really starting to worry what will happen next.

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If he loves you, he'll invest the time to listen.
A lack of appreciation is a very common thing, it just takes effort to keep things working.

:dontknow:

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Maybe reach a compromise, still get to invest "x" in your preps., and you both agree to stick to a sound financial plan as you both see fit, i.e., he gets to invest "x" in his endeavors, and you "x" in yours...nothing you can do if he loses his.

So maybe you may have to compromise a bit on things you know in your heart are going to bite you in the butt in the future, but keeping your husband around might be more beneficial in the long run, just don't ever say "I told you so" to him when things go South in a big way.

In the meantime, do what he'll agree to compromise on and try to control your temper in regards to his denial. JMO, I would play passive/agressive to save your marriage, your sanity, and perhaps salvage your future with your husband, probably more harm done by a divorce than by less preps.

Not as functional a marriage as one would hope for (you can always turn it around later when you're both on the same page). Eventually as the economy and bad news continues to worsen and mount, and as you are keeping the pressure off of him (thinking it to yourself but not using him as a sounding board, use GIM as your sounding board) he may very well partially come around to your way of thinking, that would be a good start.

Try to buy some time to keep the marriage going; try to keep the marriage together until he starts connecting the dots, but let him form his own conclusions. Don't let this ruin your marriage. It really doesn't have too.

Sometime I think we scare people when we come on so strong. Be like the duck, quite outside, paddling like hell underneath...plan how you can put away preps. without him being overly alarmed (or covertly without negatively affecting the household budget). Ask him to indulge you on a few things that are just too important for you to let go of, and then likewise you are going to have to let him do some things from his persepctive as well.

Now you know darn well some of his decisions are going to come back to haunt him, and you too! None of us have a crystal ball. But, again, isn't the marriage and your life-partner worth losing a little over to gain his trust and respect and loyalty later in the future when you are really really going to need him by your side?

Lose a few battles, win the war. It took me a few years to get my husband as "concerned" about this economy as I was, sure, he was with me on a lot of it, and never criticized my hysterics (oh the sky is falling) but there were a few times when he said, ok honey, time to get off the computer :)

And now he is more actively involved. He would listen to me before and didn't have a problem with me dragging him around to stockpile food/ammo, incurring no debts, paying off debt, totally with me on all this, he just didn't have the "urgency" about it that I felt (anxiety), or should I say he didn't feel the urgency, but thought what I was doing wasn't a bad idea.

Now if I went hog-wild and said, let's sell the house and convert it all to PMs or something to that effect, he'd balk, big time, he's a little more conservative, but so am I, so I guess this all depends on how big of moves/changes you are asking out of him; but remember, he could be a really good ally of yours, friend, protector, etc. when TS really does HTF with or without preps you have each other.

I'd let the dust settle for a few weeks and rethink how to go about maintaining a calm atmosphere at home and make him feel safe, he doesn't feel safe right now in his needs and neither do you; this may be what is causing the conflict. Again, I would strive for a healthy compromise even if I had to lose a few battles; don't lose your marriage/husband over this.

You know he probably really does love you and value you and your contributions to the marriage, but he's probably just running scared and not quite sure what to do and aren't we all in that boat somewhat?

Just my normal ramblings...:) Hey, go have a hot chocolate and baileys!

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98% of the people here would qualify as "nuts". We forget that we see with open eyes while others are still blinded. My wife was totally not interested in dealing with it until a couple of years ago. Slowly as she would come home and complain about her job I got the chance to insert 'the truth'. Now she is onboard with most of my ideas, but I still have to be careful not to scare her. I'm lucky as I pretty much can make all the financial decisions without her input, though I usually do consult with her. The advantage of that is that I can react if I need to without waiting for her OK. (big responsibility on my shoulders as she does trust my judgment.)

My family is still not with it. I don't see my sister to often (every 2 months) but when I do I have to go real slow, and allow her to ask questions and lead her into a direction that I took many years ago.

If you situation with your husband hasn't gone to far you might want to lighten up some and enjoy what brought you to together in the first place. Silverstone gave some good advice. It's is a little harder for us guys to give you a clear viewpoint of your situation. (the protector gene, ya know)

In the end, only you can decide. Prayers for you two. Stay in touch. :wink:

mayhem

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My wife is onboard (at least she acts like she is...) but I don't know how to approach my parents, who are turning 80 and grew up during the Big D. They find it scary when I try to talk to them about it, they don't want to do it again. So to that extent I sympathize with you. I would like nothing better than to ask my dad for a few K and have a bunch of food shipped to their home to put in their basement, or even to pay for it myself, but it would totally freak them out. And they live in another state about 6 hours away, so it is not practical for me to keep it here.

He is your husband, after 9 years you might know a thing or two about how to reach him, what he will listen to and what he wont.

We live in a hurricane area here, and I have always kept some small amount of preps for a week-long "absence of services" similar to hurricane Andrew in Florida some years ago. Food, water, and attitude. I bolstered it some during Y2K, and I have told the Mrs that I am treating this like "Y2K plus", that I "don't expect it" but see the possibility of some short term disruption of services if the monetary systems freezes up because of credit market conditions; please don't freak when the UPS guy starts delivering freeze dried food and you see me carrying in 5 gallon bottles of water, I haven't lost my mind, I am just getting back into my comfort zone, I would feel like a total idiot if something happened and I hadn't done anything. So far so good.

If a Walton delivery of a ton of wheat berries and a grain mill showed up, that would be another matter entirely. We will cross that bridge when we come to it.

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Wow, that's a tough one.

I am lucky in that my ladyfriend is completely onboard with me as far as GIM matters go, but I would say that you can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink. If he thinks you're nuts and berates you for doing something completely logical, it might be best to look elsewhere. Of course it depends on how your discourse goes... if he is totally disrespecting you for it, that's a red flag, IMO.

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See a shrink..... You might be able to help warn her/him, too :D

Now that TSHHTF, sadly, a lot of marriages are going to be in trouble.

Seriously, see a shrink. GIM cares. We need you to be solid in your private life so you can keep making the A+ contribution here. You are among the contributors I respect the most.

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My husband thinks we're all mentally ill, too. I don't talk about stuff too much, just mention it once in a while. Well, in the last few years, all the things I've been saying are coming to pass, and he's starting to notice. He's also noticing that I'm picking up financial news before it hits the television or newspaper, sometimes days or weeks before. He's still not really buying into it all, but he's starting to ask for advice. He's even asked me what "your GIM people would suggest." Slowly but surely...

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What do you value more:

Preparing for an event that hasn't happened and that 99.99% of folks doubt will

OR,

Your marriage


You decide, and then go full force

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Been there, done that, my preparing was used against me in court. Do what you can to prevent that outcome. Try to find a good counselor. But that is very hard to do. Make sure you go together. I would think you need to reach some level of acceptance of opposing views and be balanced. My Ex has her head buried so deep (in the sand??). She thought I was nuts too. For those who are here with spouses on the same page I so envie them. But don't give up your beliefs to the point you start lose yourself. You won't be happy either. There has to be some sort of balance.

Good luck

sb

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I can't give you advice on this, but I wish you all the best.
May it all turn out the best for YOU.

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My wife thinks I'm a little nuts, too, but she has been seeing the things I talk about starting to come to pass, such as the housing bubble, rising gold, silver, oil, etc. She now acknowledges that I have been right in everything I have told her so far.

Not that she still doesn't think I'm nuts. My copy of "Rawles on Retreats and Relocation" arrived in the mail yesterday. "WHAT'S THIS!" she exclaimed loudly. "Oh my god, you're planning on moving us to the middle of nowhere, aren't you?" She has openly said to me that she doesn't want to believe what is happening, she just wants everything to be normal and OK, she wants to do what she wants to do, buy what she wants to buy, and not have to think about "the end of the world". I have told her that I cannot be willfully ignorant about the reality of what is happening around us, and that I would rather be prepared, and not need it, than be unprepared, and need it.

Do you have children at home? That certainly makes things more complicated in a relationship. If not, it makes it easier if a break-up becomes inevitable.

I have a hard time understanding how people can ignore reality. When even the MSM is starting to talk about a possible dollar collapse, WTF?

Although she doesn't want to believe the reality of what's going on around us, I know that she believes what I tell her. Also, her own family, a fairly anti-government bunch, did some pretty creative stuff to survive the Great Depression.

I sometimes wonder about what I would have done differently regarding the choices I have made in my life, including my choice of a mate, if I had known about the things I know now, 18 years ago, when we first got together. I probably would be with someone more like Sarah Conner (Terminator movies) right now!

Oh well...

Best wishes, I hope you find a solution that is not too painful.

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this is a deaf-mute dialog at this point.

blame game ends discussion

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tnx nonetheless for your message

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yeah, how life will be like at home after he will have lost all his 401k, which I asked him to close. Thats the dilemma.

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nope, no kids - and this gives me more room to act, what a relief.

Best

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if we have to go that far.. neither of us wants a costly divorce... at least we agree on something... the bottom line is my dedication for a topic he doesnt/cannot comprehend. Oh well...

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Maddie, you are lucky!

here is an example:
yesterday he heard that real estate prices were up 5% in NYC... so his logic is the following: bailing out Bear Stearns and Co is a sign of market confidence...

painful for the ears, as you can guess

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Happy to hear all that - tnx

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hey - the fact that I am also working for an alternative media where we speak a lot of global crunch creates an additional obstacle.

Best

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Good - congrats!

Most of the people I see in my private life don't get it either. Really sad!

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tnx you for your 2cents/input..

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Thanks for your encouragement - I am not depressed though...

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Sorry to get in late on this, been on "vacation".....

My wife and I have been on board with a more self reliant style of living for 30 years now, so moving more in that direction isn't much of a stretch for her....although when I finally got around to doing an inventory after that last Walton order, I did have to admit "I" might even be a little nuts.....so I can't imagine having to try to convince an unbelieving spouse of what might be coming....I find it hard to believe myself when you walk down the isles of a Walmart or Sams and try to imagine "someday this whole place could be empty and the lights off".....

Another member here and I have been kicking around this week, and he has the same problem as you.....he is convinced bad things are in store for the future, he currently lives in a area that would be un-liveable, but his wife is not totally onboard with that....doesn't want to move from their area, and this is going to cause some conflict in the near term.....

I don't know what to tell you.....presenting fact and such to a person can only go so far.....may in fact, make it worse, because KNOWING that the Titanic is going down and there are only so many lifeboats can really cause a person to want to deny reality.....

This issue CAN be a big dividing point in people. If they are just your co-worker or neighbor, you can simply write them off, and decide not to confront the issue.....after all, you don't REALLY care about them that much, and don't have your life invested in what happens to them eventually.....no so with a family member, or more, with a spouse. SO it may come to splitting over this issue.....God knows, people split over a LOT LESS.......and you may have to accept that this is simply something that can't be overcome.....it will really depend on the foundation of love, trust and friendship you have, or have not built over the last 9 years. As it turns out, many people are simply married for convenience, sex, or whatever, and really DON'T have a good foundation.....and it comes to light when you hit major issues like this.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do. I don't know you other than from your posts, but I feel like you are a pretty level headed person.....and keep in mind, as much of a pain as it would be to find, there are other level headed persons out there as well. Maybe you need to go shopping.

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Forget the shrink...let him see one if he wants. All a shrink will do is dwindle your financial resources and project their world view onto you.

Your husband needs to give you some respect and have some trust in your judgment. I'm not saying that he should just go along with all of your ideas, but he should be willing to take some risks and let the picture paint itself.

In reality, we all need several plans. We need a plan for financial success (job or business), we need a plan for personal development and growth (hobbies, sports, etc.), and we need a plan for a worsening global situation (war, economic decline, food shortages, etc.) If all of your energy goes to just one area, things can get out of kilt and make things hard for you and everyone around you.

Pow-wow with you husband about what you can do to help him on the areas he is trying to cover...maybe he feels alone in his own mind about his efforts? If he feels your support in what he is trying to do, he is more likely to be open to your interest. It is not an all or nothing proposition.

You have to give to get.

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I don't know if this would work, but it might be worth a try. Pick out a good thread here and print it out. Then give it to your hubby and ask his opinion. It doesn't have to be a survival thread. It could be about investing, or another topic. Just use the thread to have a three way (you, him, and the GIM posts) dialog. After a few days, print out a different thread and talk to him about it. After dissecting a few threads, he will be more familiar with GIM and the topics we talk about here.

When registration is open again in April, sign up for a new ID for your hubby. Make it something masculine, like Superman, or Popeye. Then instead of printing out the next thread to talk with him about, try to get him to login and read the thread on the computer. Invite him to post a few short replies to easy threads. Then encourage him to either start a thread or to reply to a thread that deals with topics he does not agree with. That will be a time when GIM can be used to help educate him and persuade him about the validity of our concepts. Good luck!

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Jaima had a similar problem with waking up her daughter.

My advise to you and her, is do what I did with my family tell them about it, but don't make it a big deal and push the issue.

Make preps on your own and prepare for them. They will come around of their own accord as their fiat empire illusion comes crashing down.

I thank my wife all the time that she is supportive in my preps. She values having someone protecting her and her children.

Please don't let TPTB get between your marriage. Then they will have another win under their belt.

Not everyone is ready to be unhooked from the matrix, but be there for them when they are.

Lots of luck.

P.S. If you do get divorced some secret gold coins will make it easier to start over again.:wink:

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I tend to think that if a marriage isn't that great, you shouldn't stick around in it. People often do, because of all the time they've invested, but I see it as throwing good money after bad. Like sinking more money into the stock of a failing company. If you know it's not right, move on. There is a period of unhappiness, then things get better than before.

Relationships are like drugs. You're happiest as you start on a new one, and then again after you finally quit it.

My girl is very smart and I love her completely. But she's a girl. She doesn't want to prepare, she wants to shop and see movies and have fun. But it's ok. I don't ask anything of her in the way of preps, except that she'll practice shooting a bit. I spend the money I make on the preps. She spends her money on whatever she wants. We've never had a dispute over it. She knows if something goes down, I have her covered. If nothing goes down, then I haven't bugged the hell out of her to change her lifestyle for no reason.

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Goldissma:

Complex topic and doubtful I can offer any insight on a forum board but here is my two cents:

The high quality of the news you post often leave me wondering how you are able to sift through so much data to pull in the "good stuff". It must take a lot of time and focus and perhaps your husband is just tired of losing you to the keyboard? Without getting too personal I would ask:

1.) Is your husband jealous of the time you spend in your quest?
2.) Does he feel that you are depressed? (Which I assume you are not but this is some heavy stuff)?
3.) Is he stressed out about anything?

Oddly enough, while I have convinced my chick that the US is heading for the skids in a major way (enough so that we are moving to Europe this summer for 2-3 years). I still try not to overload her....she likes shopping, watching stupid TV, and enjoying life--and sometimes she reminds me that the destroyers of life really are fear and worry. I guess you can say we have a truce.

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Goldmissa, ur posts are the best. I couldn't live with a spouse that did not share a common philosophy, but you will be proved right very soon. this is not the time to quit, you know in ur heart what to do

:wink:

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Goldmissa, I always check your posts and they are very good.
DogFarm...Less time at the keyboard is good.
TnAndy.. separation over far less issues happens
and good ol' KEEF best of all...
Just give it some more time.
Good luck and thanks for all the info you have given this website.

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You had better re-evaluate the importance of your marriage and other meaningful things in your life (they're VERY important). As a fellow 'bug I too struggle to find a balance between the impending sh*tstorm and the rest of my life. Surely there must be a way to tone down your distress and continue with the preps in a more discrete manner. I have had to shut up for the sake of keeping many friends, and though my wife agrees with much of our "way of thinking" I have had to tone it down for her too. A quieter me has improved my life and those around me... while I hoard silver, food & supplies... hehe. Do what you gotta do- but let those around you do the same. Surely you can find a balance. All JMO...

Best wishes, --'Mone.

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jealous... I could see that . dedication is often a competitor...

Best

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But my husband doesnt give a damn to economics. He thinks that you also has to go to college to understand what you're talking about.... arghhh

tnx keef

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thanks for the tap on my shoulder

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um-um... I think I have to be patient until the SHTF...

sincerely

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yes, your first paragraph makes lots of sense

Cheers

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Not everyone is ready to be unhooked from the matrix... strangely, he sees my fascination with PTB like an addiction...

Tnx
..

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Have you considered the possibility that there might be some relevance in your husbands questioning?

I think you are overstating the degree of explicit conspiracy going on. There are no historical precedents to support "global elites" conspiring. Good old human nature can look like a conspiracy, that's for sure, but I'm not sure it's really there.

Look at an ant colony - looks just like someone designed it on purpose, but everything we know indicate that it's good old evolution all of it. The bee queen does not control the beehive. Nobody does. The bees just act according to the instincts evolution has given them.

OK, we ARE a bit more advanced than bees, ants or beavers, but so are our societies. I think that our societies are so complex that no single person or cabal can control what's going on. It just looks that way, and gives rise to urban legends of various kinds. Bush, Bernanke and Paulson must act, look and sound like they controlled things, part of this thing about "confidence", but in reality they are just humans with human limitations.

The math and resource situation indicates that there will be some kind of crash, that's for sure, but I don't see any grand conspiracy. I see a lot of small, short-term conspiracies though, and a lot of grandeur delusions, but that is not the same as the real thing.

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A funny; my wife didn't know about my first major silver purchase back in Sept. '05. She found out a few months after and came unglued. Yeah, I guess I could've told her... Anyway- there was tension for a few more months after that until one day in April I showed her the balance on our investment account.

Not a negative peep since.

She now tolerates the food, water filters, etc. as they are all usable items. She's not quite converted but sees the potential good from having these items. And she smells money. LOL.

Result: peace in my house and scheduled tail.:D

Fwiw...:wink:

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Some people just cannot stand to look. I am lucky my wife is onboard 100%, and can't really imagine how hard that must be.

IMO, no shrink. That just wastes money. But maybe stop trying to convince him and prep as much as you can. Losing his 401k will suck, but he isn't going to look it seems. If he has choices maybe he would go for weighting his 401k toward hydrocarbons? Peak oil he might buy (though I don't think you do). But I think hydrocarbon prices are likely to stay high and companies like Encana pay good dividends besides being unlikely to fail.

Naturally I think it would be safest pulled and in PM. But it is his 401k and you may have to write it off and prep the best you can.

Taking time off from gloom and doom and having dates even though we have been married a long time is a good thing we do to not stay too tense all the time and just have fun together.

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Hello Goldissima,
I am late to the thread, as usual...
and I write in run on sentences...
fingers do not move fast enough, hah.
You have noted the unresponsiveness of your other 1/2
here before and briefly if I remember correctly.
Goldissima, my "ex" ( gone but not forgotten ) used
that " stupid silver and gold and economic stuff " against me and that is
the not forgotten part.
Really got to me it did for awhile...
My saving grace currently is that my present other 1/2 is from a country
where they awoke one morning and the bank was closed and they
had no record of the life savings of the family there when it did open.
She is kinda on board now that the metals are moving, but there has been some "strife" along the way.
It is difficult to present the subject matter with the gobs of credit
that has bought everything in existence and everything for others
is looking so shiny and new.
I find ways to "shut myself up" and read read read without getting
to terribly nervous.
I quit on the not immediate family and most friends.
A Sinclair post last week said " save yourself " which I took
to heart very much and I now am focused on immediate family
only.
Like the Lord Sid above, advice is difficult to give.
Maybe more " venting" here would help ???
Please, please, please do not stop posting your fine materials and
items you come across.!!
During my own low points, I have boosted my resolve because of your steadfastness here.
Regards,
Haystackneedle

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I would print out a gold or silver chart and mark the spot where I first told him that we should be buying PM's. Then I would show him the closing price Monday. That's all. Men understand money lost even if they are too stoopid to understand anything else.

As a side note ... I have talked about this (government, taxes, liberty, PM's) enough to my close friends and family that all I have to do is sit there quietly while folks talk and whenever they say something stoopid all I have to do is smile and they know exactly what I am thinking and I don't even have to say it. I am not sure if this is a good or bad point ... it just is.

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had the same discussion tonight here...

won the argument with "its not a lot of money to us, and if we buy stuff we use anyway, and don't go wild buying so much it won't be used before its shelf life, it will end up saving on the food bill as well as providing security if there is a drought, or too much rain, or a late frost, etc"

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I never talk of a grand conspiracy with "regular people" , just show data and speak of the founding fathers economics.

The grand conspiracy is called greed. The elites have understood how to capitalize on masses' own greedy ignorance. This fight starts at home.

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Hope you work it out Goldissima.
Hey , maybe if we ever get the NYC Gim-get-together going , you could bring him and maybe talking to some other crazies will help ?
(or I could just slip a Red Pill mickey into his beer for ya!)
For whatever it's worth , my wife thinks I'm crazy, a little bit scary sometimes too. But she believes in me, bless her.
She just prays that none of her friends or their husband's ever ask my opinion on anything:D. I'm pretty good about not offering it out to the unititiated, but if they ask.. well then, I tell them.
Boy , the looks I get here in suburban dreamland.

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actually when silver was at 8 dollar per oz, I bought some behind his back... now he is very happy with the outcome... but he still doesnt get the definition of "purchasing power' - best

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After reading this thread, I've noticed a few things.

1) I'm in a similar situation, though my wife is a bit more willing to allow me to do what needs to be done. I do take care of most preps without her knowledge.

2) My wife's largest complaint is that prepping and research take so much time that she sees as time that should be spent with her. I have tried to tell her that if she would prep with me then we would spend more time together, however, she prefers to watch her talk shows and hang out with her friends. It's mostly just jealosy, just keep that in mind.

3) And this may be most important. It looks like you are actually regretting your marriage. I suggest stopping for a minute and thinking about everything you have with him. Even if he were in agreement with you, would you really be happy? Determine whether or not he is really someone you want to be with. Make your own choice, while we are like a family here we can not make this extremely important choice for you. Just remember that we are here for you if you need to vent or you need support.

I wish you the best and sincerely hope that everything goes well with whatever decision you settle on.

Edit: oh and I would recommend NOT going to see a shrink. People usually use that as a way to try forcing you to behave the way they want.

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I got married in 1999... right after 9-11, I started my long investigation into the maze of power/money... nothing is static, of course now if I had to remarry I would choose another mate type... but the majority of the people looking back would say the same. Evolution demands constant flexibility and there may be compromises.

Not ready to start a therapy - Best

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I think many of us here are married to people who don't buy into this the way we do. Life is usually made up of compromises and trade-offs. Those of us not lucky enough to have mates who see things the way we do probably all fantasize about what it would be like to have one that does! I actually did once have one like that. I divorced him almost 20 years ago. That aspect of him didn't come close to making up for all the other problems. Despite not sharing an interest in preparedness with my second husband (sigh...I married him after the Cold War and before the NWO stuff...during a lull in the preparedness world), I've been much happier in the 17 years I've been with him. He would never cash in his 401 for PMs. The most he'd do is shuffle around the investments. I wouldn't ask him to cash it in, even though I agree with you about the wisdom of it. It would make him very uncomfortable, and there's always a chance I could be wrong. I've been in the preparedness game since the 70s, and the S hasn't HTF in such a big way yet, though many times through the years predictions have been dire. Even when I couldn't see any way out, disaster has somehow been avoided.

My husband's job requires living in the city, which I dislike intensely, but he's making a great name for himself in his field and is getting a lot of recognition, and it's very satisfying and important to him. The projects he works on are his passion in life. So, my concession is living in or near a city. For his part, he's agreed that he won't consider job offers in places I don't want to live and won't push me to change my mind about those places even though he thinks my criteria for making decisions about where I would live (primarily, the gun laws and other stuff you all would relate to) are ridiculous. He's also agreed that we'll purchase land in a rural area within a few hours' drive when we can comfortably afford to, and we've gone out looking at land several times. In the meantime, my sister has offered her rural place as our bug-out, and it's conveniently close, yet rural, acreage. My sacrifice is clearly greater in this, but I'm willing to make it because right now his joy in his work is so great.

We keep our discretionary money separate (unless we're saving up for something together), and we don't question what the other chooses to spend his or hers on, even if we think it's nuts. I buy guns and preps and PMs and things he would never spend a dime on, and he doesn't tell me I'm nuts on a daily basis. I don't have to buy stuff behind his back. He's even gotten used to some of it. He likes the convenience of the storage pantry. He buys electronic gadgets and stuff that I can't even identify and spends a lot of money attending conferences, and I don't so much as ask him what he spent.

If you love your husband and want to keep your marriage together, you might just have to let go of his 401K because it sounds like you're about to lose both of them if you insist on it. If he's not about to do it, then stop thinking of it as an option and base your plans on making it without it. If you're right about the future, then life will be harder for you without his cashing it in, but no more difficult than it will be for most people and probably less difficult thanks to your mindset and other preps. Your survival doesn't hinge on that 401K. You're strong and resourceful and intelligent, and you've been building knowledge and gathering PMs and other preps. Most of the world survives on far less than Americans do. You'll make it. If you still love your husband and want to be with him and find he enhances the quality of your life, then don't cash him in for something as vague and unpredictable as TS hitting TF. The people in our lives can be more valuable than gold.

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I think the issue is very mainstream. People like my husband are just allergic to math, it is too abstract and convoluted at the same And this is why he gets fed up when I talk of the economy. thanks for sharing

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um-um another thing is that he thinks that the silver and gold prices have peaked. You have to know that their prices are "managed/depressed" to understand why it will go up - that part of the story is not credible for him.

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My husband told me that on Friday, when I told him gold was over $1000. He just doesn't believe people will pay more than $1000 for gold. I reminded him that he's been saying that for the last $300. The thing that really seems to be getting my family is the silver price. It's inconceivable to them that people would pay much for silver because "it's just silver." They've thought it was a foolish investment all along. My mother is starting to come around, but I just can't get her to actually buy any PMs. The price is always "too high," yet she'll spend much more than that on stocks which her investment club has a very poor track record of selecting. I've been trying to get her to get of of that club, as they don't do anything except by majority rule, and by the time they hear about something and decide to buy it, it's way too late.

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Much wisdom in two little sentences. Bravo!

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I got married in '99 as well, and my wife is probably a lot like your husband, doesn't really understand maths, economics, history etc. But most of the time she trusts my judgement on these matters. We do have arguments, but she is coming around to my side more and more, though she refuses to believe it is going to get as bad as I think. We have 2 children 8 and 4 years old, so a divorce would be very difficult for us. But if my wife just flatly refused to see my points and concerns, I think we would separate.

At this point in time I do think we are really walking in the valley of the blind, and it ain't easy to convince the "blind" to open their eyes, it is scary and it does hurt your eyes especially in the beginning. But it is important to at least squint so that you don't fall down in the ravine splitting the valley in the middle after the earthquake.

To me the most important thing right now is the survival and thrival of our children, and I am really happy we managed to buy a few acres of farmland in the mountains far away from "civilisation". I know my wife is scared of going and living outside of civilsation, but she will come around to that too, for our childrens sake. She is at least somewhat desillusioned with the grandness of modern life, even though she has a problem taking the view I have at this point.

I guess what you should do, Goldissima, is to make mental notes on which areas of life outlook you are in agreement with your husband, where you can forge agreement, and where it is not possible, and weigh these against each other. Things are coming to its edge pretty soon and fast, and it is important that you sort this out for yourself.

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You don't even have to know that... you just have to understand the fundamentals of debt and fiat. Even though gold has run up a lot this year, the fundamentals have not changed, and in many ways are getting even more bullish for metal, in my view. At some point he will have to look at the bottom line and see that you have made a lot of money and he has lost a lot of money. If he's too full of himself to admit it, there isn't much more you can do.

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His bro is investment banker and told him that money market funds are safe. Also what he has is a IRA, my mistake. I just cannot stand my bro in law now. The USD is tanking dangerously and he doesnt get it. He has the mentality: dollar down doesnt matter if you stay in the country"

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Yes, you are right Maddy, my survival doesn't hinge on that 401K/IRA. Only objectivity can solve the matter. However I will have a strange taste in the mouth when I will see our house project in Belize go up in smoke.

Best my dear

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for my husband also, he thinks that even if PM price go up another 30% it is not worth it... to much stress for the gains. And that he even could lose when a massive sell-off occurs.

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if he doesn't get the purchasing power concept, let alone debt and fiat. His conclusion is that recessions and financial crises will always exist. And that his IRA/401k will go back up after the crisis. Alas this time the crisis will last more or less a generation. - Cheers

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At least he agrees on a serious recession and pilling up jars and cans of food.
Thanks for sharing.

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LOL - I will ask him to get together with us but he might not come with me though. By the way, please answer my last message about the meet-up. See you.

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Dump the looser, he's obviously a government agent ....

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Is this really necessary? She is telling us about a real life issue bothering her and you come in here like the usual idiot that you are.

Give it a rest or get out.

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In that case he is ahead of 90% of the people. And you cannot eat gold and silver, but it is probably easier to barter it against something useful compared w the 401k.... :wink:

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Good grief!! My old brokerage, Brookstreet, went bankrupt overnight from its money market account. Sounds like his brother is from the clan of bank employees who believe the cr@p they are taught to tell clients.

Many are like that. If they knew they were swindling their clients they would quit so they buy the sales pitch themselves. It means they are more decent people than the ones that knowingly put other people's money at high risk, but that brother is probably your big blockade.

If he is cool with preps and likes your PM gains that is a good start.

The bigger question of how happy you are with him overall is probably the most important one. My wife and I have to compromise on a lot of things, but I feel so lucky to have found her. We like different movies, by about 90%, different music by about 70%, different reading by maybe 90%, I like to camp, to her the outdoors is where you go between your taxi and your hotel, she loves seafood and gourmet dishes, and I love peasant fare..... and yet we are happy.

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Come to Argentina... ;)